820-2936 Fan turn on and off cycling, no orange LED when connected to battery

protocold

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I am using 85w. I noticed there is some corrosion around Q5300. R5301 went missing and the traces going to pin 4 of Q5300 is broken/corroded.

Checked Pin 4 is still connected to PPBUS_G3H = 12.48v until fan is stopped...

I replaced Q5300 and also re-solder 100k between pin 4 and pin 5, it is still the same...

Q5300 pin 3 is 12.48v until fan stop and cycling.

ALL_SYS_PWRGD pulses 3.3v

L7510/20 = pulse 1.14v

L7550 = PPVCORE_S0_AXG_L = 0v.

Q7550 pin 1 pulse 12.6v, pin 4 = U7400 pin 12 = shorted to ground.

U7400 voltage; pins 15,24,40 = pulse 5v, pin 1 = pulse 3.3v , pin 2 = pulses all over the place.
 
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protocold

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tried to remove Q7550 and the pin 4 pad seems no short but when replaced another Q7550, the short come back.. is this a short?
 

protocold

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Q7550 pin 4 is connected to U7400 pin 12, when both are on the board, they seems to be shorted to ground(9 ohm). L7550 = 0V when on power.

with Q7550 removed, the pin 4 solder pad have no short and when measure voltage it pulses.
 
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2informaticos

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CPU coils may have very low resistance to ground as normal.
You can compare eith good board.
I suppose you don't have any short there.

Did you try to start in SMC bypass mode?
Just in case, replace R7402 and check its traces and solder to pin 2/U7400.
 

protocold

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R7402 is good and its traces and solder to pin 2/U7400 are good too.

SMC bypass mode = fan stay on, USB storage has LED on too.
 
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2informaticos

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What is CPU voltage after 10s?
Did you try more DDR3 memory modules?

If machines stays on in SMC bypass, then you have problems with a SMC sensor.
Check first AVREF_SMC voltage.
 

protocold

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L7510/20 = 0.9v after 10s. L7550 = 0.44v at that time.

machine did stay on in SMC bypass, PP3V3_S5_AVREF_SMC = 3.3v even when the fan stopped spinning..
 

2informaticos

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VCORE should drop around 0.75V when board really boots.

In SMC bypass the fan should spin continuosly to max speed.

Take a look at the circuitries from pages 49 & 50.
Your starting problem is related with one I/V sensor.
Check their output voltage in SMC bypass mode.
 

protocold

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SMC_CPU_VSENSE = 0.65 - 0.95 fluctuate
SMC_CPU_ISENSE =0v
SMC_GFX_VSENSE = bouncing 0 - 0.7v
SMC_GFX_ISENSE = 0v
TP_SMC_P1V5S3_ISENSE = 0.27v
SMC_CPUVCCIO_ISENSE = 0v
TP_SMC_SA_ISENSE = unknown test point location
SMC_DCIN_VSENSE = 2.82v
SMC_DCIN_ISENSE = 2.1v and when lifting multimeter it will shut down

I will measure the rest later today but is anyone of the above look suspicious so far?
 

protocold

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ya i know from schematics R7050 + R7051 + R7052 should be 2.21ohm..

let me get a new multimeter, as now it is measuring 10.x ohm..

There is a glue blob around R7052 but I saw brownish shadow within it near R7052 pin2 .. when I cut open the glue blob I confirmed that pin 2 of R7052 was probably heated up somehow that causes burn mark on the surrounding glue.. now R7052 measured around 7.9 ohm between pin 1 and pin 2. R7051 measured around 3.0 ohm (however between the 2 pole or any 2 screws the multimeter read 0.9ohm, assuming this is internal resistance between the 2 pole). I guess subtracting that from 3.0 will give 2.1 ohm which means R7051 is probably OK.

I measured R7050 and it is also 0.9 ohm. again subtracting the internal resistance should be 0 ohm, which also means R7050 is ok.

This implies R7052 is messed up?
 
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