Atomrepair
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Hi everyone, here's yet another dutchman who dabbles in logic board repairs. I'm looking at some important lab upgrades and I believe the most pressing matter is gaining the ability to clean boards properly. Its beyond time for me to toss the ole alcohol infused toothbrush 'n eardiggers and upgrade to an actual ultrasonic cleaner device.
Being a regular watcher of Louis' vids, it is clear to me that getting a Crest CP500 would be a fine choice. However, I did want to look around and see if there's an alternative without giving up any of the positive properties of the Crest. Because the Crest is an expensive son of a bitch and if I can get the same thing for less money, I wouldn't be Dutch if I didnt go for it.
But, it better be the same or better, or I'll cut myself in the fingers. And who would want that? It hurts, and there might be blood. Anyway...
What the UC needs to have
Sweeping frequency functionality
Heating to about 60-70 celcius
Basket with identical or larger dimensions than the Crest CP500
Lid, to limit the stinks.
Same or better durability
A lower pricetag
Now, I did some googling, looked online at the crest a lot and then asked my GF to google UC's for me (ha!). She found this:
http://www.emag-benelux.nl/Webwinkel...-Reiniger.html
This one costs €805 including basket, lid and shipping.
Well, thats all in Dutch, so here goes:
Dimensions:
Outside 330x175x290 mm
Inside 302x152x150 mm
Basket 280x135x135 mm
Contents:
Inside tank: 6,0 Liter
Holds up to: 5,4 Liter (1.42 Gallons)
More:
Cleaning 'bath': Stainless steel 1.4301
Outside: Stainless steel 1.4301
Protection class: IP 32
Tap: No
Timer 1-60 min or continuous
Adjustable heating 20-80 °C
Adjustable power 50 and 100 %
Sweep function (raises normal ultrasonic power) for severe contamination
Degas function (degasses tap water) for optimal cleaning.
Technical stuff:
Schwingsysteem: 3 PZT element
HF-Generator: prevents overload and overheating.
Constant power, constant temprature control
Frequency: ca. 45 kHz
Ultrasonic power: max. 240 Watt
Heating: 120 Watt
Netspanning: 50/ 60 Hz
Power: 220-240 V
24 months warranty
Accessories:
Stainless steel Lid
Stainless steel Basket
As mentioned above, this one costs €805. Now, compared to the Crest CP500, which I could order from sonikem for €960 (see thread here, thanks @G.Beard!), I'd save 155 and get what looks like exactly the same thing and has all the same features on paper.
Now one more thing. Crest has a smaller model available which I believe is too small to hold 15" and larger mac boards, the CP360 with inside dimensions of 237 x 134 x 150cm. Its shorter, and thats before taking the basket into account, which reduces space further. A ~26cm long logic board like in the 15 and 17 inch macbooks wont fit. I presume this is why that model is not an option.
However, the smaller model of this Chem brand, the Emmi 40D, has basket dimensions of 280x140x85 mm. Same length as the larger one, just less height. All other specs are identical, save for the ultrasonic power, which you can set to 80 or 160 Watt max (Crest CP500 is 120 fixed).
If I calculated this correctly, it will fit a 15/17 inch board, it would just 'lying down' in the basket more than it would be in the larger models, if you know what I mean. This one costs €705, knocking another 100 off compared to the Crest CP500. Also, I would wager that a smaller tank heats up quicker, which doesn't hurt.
To anyone that made it this far: Does putting a board into a basket at less of steep angle matter in terms of cleaning? Also, would the option of having twice the ultrasonic power (240 Watts) compared to the Crest be an upgrade and clean them better, or just destroy boards instead? And, of course; does anyone have experience with this brand of cleaners?
This post is far too long, but one more thing. During the search for UC stuff, another potential alternative for Branson EC turned up, this stuff:
Tickopur TR14
https://translate.google.nl/translat...df&prev=search
For those in the Netherlands, get it here: http://www.ultrasoonreiniger.com/tickopur.htm?p=3
I know jack shit about EC fluids, but its meant for pcb cleaning. It contains a bit of Ammonia, so it probably stinks greatly. Also, its a bit cheaper than branson or EC132 at 39 euros excl shipping for 1.3 gallons. I'll give it a try once I decide which cleaner to get.
Being a regular watcher of Louis' vids, it is clear to me that getting a Crest CP500 would be a fine choice. However, I did want to look around and see if there's an alternative without giving up any of the positive properties of the Crest. Because the Crest is an expensive son of a bitch and if I can get the same thing for less money, I wouldn't be Dutch if I didnt go for it.
But, it better be the same or better, or I'll cut myself in the fingers. And who would want that? It hurts, and there might be blood. Anyway...
What the UC needs to have
Sweeping frequency functionality
Heating to about 60-70 celcius
Basket with identical or larger dimensions than the Crest CP500
Lid, to limit the stinks.
Same or better durability
A lower pricetag
Now, I did some googling, looked online at the crest a lot and then asked my GF to google UC's for me (ha!). She found this:
http://www.emag-benelux.nl/Webwinkel...-Reiniger.html
This one costs €805 including basket, lid and shipping.
Well, thats all in Dutch, so here goes:
Dimensions:
Outside 330x175x290 mm
Inside 302x152x150 mm
Basket 280x135x135 mm
Contents:
Inside tank: 6,0 Liter
Holds up to: 5,4 Liter (1.42 Gallons)
More:
Cleaning 'bath': Stainless steel 1.4301
Outside: Stainless steel 1.4301
Protection class: IP 32
Tap: No
Timer 1-60 min or continuous
Adjustable heating 20-80 °C
Adjustable power 50 and 100 %
Sweep function (raises normal ultrasonic power) for severe contamination
Degas function (degasses tap water) for optimal cleaning.
Technical stuff:
Schwingsysteem: 3 PZT element
HF-Generator: prevents overload and overheating.
Constant power, constant temprature control
Frequency: ca. 45 kHz
Ultrasonic power: max. 240 Watt
Heating: 120 Watt
Netspanning: 50/ 60 Hz
Power: 220-240 V
24 months warranty
Accessories:
Stainless steel Lid
Stainless steel Basket
As mentioned above, this one costs €805. Now, compared to the Crest CP500, which I could order from sonikem for €960 (see thread here, thanks @G.Beard!), I'd save 155 and get what looks like exactly the same thing and has all the same features on paper.
Now one more thing. Crest has a smaller model available which I believe is too small to hold 15" and larger mac boards, the CP360 with inside dimensions of 237 x 134 x 150cm. Its shorter, and thats before taking the basket into account, which reduces space further. A ~26cm long logic board like in the 15 and 17 inch macbooks wont fit. I presume this is why that model is not an option.
However, the smaller model of this Chem brand, the Emmi 40D, has basket dimensions of 280x140x85 mm. Same length as the larger one, just less height. All other specs are identical, save for the ultrasonic power, which you can set to 80 or 160 Watt max (Crest CP500 is 120 fixed).
If I calculated this correctly, it will fit a 15/17 inch board, it would just 'lying down' in the basket more than it would be in the larger models, if you know what I mean. This one costs €705, knocking another 100 off compared to the Crest CP500. Also, I would wager that a smaller tank heats up quicker, which doesn't hurt.
To anyone that made it this far: Does putting a board into a basket at less of steep angle matter in terms of cleaning? Also, would the option of having twice the ultrasonic power (240 Watts) compared to the Crest be an upgrade and clean them better, or just destroy boards instead? And, of course; does anyone have experience with this brand of cleaners?
This post is far too long, but one more thing. During the search for UC stuff, another potential alternative for Branson EC turned up, this stuff:
Tickopur TR14
https://translate.google.nl/translat...df&prev=search
For those in the Netherlands, get it here: http://www.ultrasoonreiniger.com/tickopur.htm?p=3
I know jack shit about EC fluids, but its meant for pcb cleaning. It contains a bit of Ammonia, so it probably stinks greatly. Also, its a bit cheaper than branson or EC132 at 39 euros excl shipping for 1.3 gallons. I'll give it a try once I decide which cleaner to get.
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