A1502 820-4924-a no backlight

RESQ-MYTECH

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Hi all. Not frequented the forum for a while as been getting along with the Macbook repairs quite well. So an overdue helloooo. Anyway, those that have read my posts know it is not going to be a short one... here goes.

Above mentioned Macbook pro is given to me for repair. Presented with no display. Upon opening, logic board is immaculate with the exception of a little corrosion on J6601. TBH, I feel it was a "little" to clean.
Done the checks of shine a light onto the screen and the image is there, so I know it is backlight related. Tested pin 1 of J8300- no volts at all ( 0.001). traced pack as far as F7700. Checked the fuse and this was OK ( no surprises there). Pin 1 had 12.6v and pin 2 had 1.608v. Thus indicating a short. Pins 1-4 on R7700 had 12.6v and pins 3 and 4 of Q7700 has 12.6v where as pins 1/2/5/6 had zero volts. Literally zero. So I swapped Q7700 for one from a donor board. Still the same. Followed back to U7700 and saw evidence of flux there. I now feel that the board may have been looked at before. My soldering is not the best but I decided to swap the U7700. Still had the same readings as before. I then noticed that R5455 was not next to F7700. Looked on the schematic ( page 40) and it shows R5455 being there for the LCD Backlight Current Sense circuit. So I got a resistor of the same value and put it on. I feel it should have been there as the pads were populated with solder. Also C5450 was also not there. But I feel this was never there due to the pads only having a small amount of solder there and the copper pad showing around it. see image 1. Excuse the fuse, I will explain further on about that. Again the schematic shows this as being there. But I decided due to the pads not to fit this. Its at this point I think I may have f**ked up. Connected the power and F7700 popped. I lost PPBUS_G3H. No Green LED, no 8.6v ( even though pin 1 of F7700 was showing 12.6v). Anyway, managed to resolve the PPBUS_G3H issue and got power back at 12.6v. This has confused me even more as the schematic says PPBUS_G3H should be 8.6v. I get 12.6v at pin 1 of F7700 with the same voltages at R7700 and Q7700 across all pins. The was also 12.6v at pin 1 on J8300. I know that pin 1 on J8300 should be in the 25v area ( i think). Connected the screen and power, screen flashed and F7700 popped. At this point I am out of fuses. Hence the 0802 fuse soldered to pin 1 and jumpered to pin 2. Yeah, troll me but it worked. But I now have the 12.6 on pin 1 and 1.6 on pin 2 of F7700. Thus indicating the short again. I have managed to find the culprit. It was C7768 as shown on FlexBV. done a search on the schematic for C7768 and it comes up not found. on the schematic I suspect it to be C7710/7711/7712 but not sure which. I have removed C7768 and the short is gone but still only getting 12.6v up to pin 1 of J8300. connect a screen and still have image but no backlight.

My head hurts.

So.... questions:-
1/ I have got the schematic and BV in the same file however some of the designations do not correspond. Am I being trolled by this?
2/ what am I missing in respect of the low power to pin 1 on j8300? I have watched Louis's video explaining what the voltages should be and different values will indicate the issue, but I think I missed the 12.6v reason.
3/ in image 2 it shows L7710 has a cracked top but the voltages pin 2 is 12.27v and pin 1 is 12.28v ( minor difference). You can also see in this image the cap I removed C7768. Could this cracked coil be the cause of my issus?

As usual and assistance is greatfully received.
Thanks in advance.
Marc
 

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2informaticos

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"I get 12.6v at ... Q7700 across all pins."
This is impossible, unless Q7700 is shorted; change it now.
Pin 3 needs aprox half voltage level, to open it.

"Checked the fuse and this was OK ( no surprises there). Pin 1 had 12.6v and pin 2 had 1.608v"
Not at all OK, just burnt (open).
Never power up the board again, before checking for short on the output pin!

"got power back at 12.6v. This has confused me even more as the schematic says PPBUS_G3H should be 8.6v."
Pin 6 of U7100 sets the output voltage; connected to high level (12.6V output) for3 cells battery.
For 2 cells is connected to ground (8.5V output).

Use a tiny wire (0.03-0.05mm) instead of a such big fuse.

"L7710 has a cracked top but the voltages pin 2 is 12.27v and pin 1 is 12.28v ( minor difference)."
If has internal short is good for nothing.
Change it, just in case; coil good functionality is not described by DC voltages (boost converter here).

Q7700 is controlled by U7700 which requires EN, PWM and correct communication on SCL/SDA lines with LCD screen.
Did you try known good compatible screen?
 

RESQ-MYTECH

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Hi 2informaticos. Come into work with a new set of eyes and took all readings again.
so, changed the F7700 ( replacment fuses arrived) and L7710. C7768 removed ( again still not sure which cap this is due to C7768 not being found in the schematic I have).
Following readings have been obtained and verified with 3 different meters.
Q7700 Pin 3 12.17v
Pin 4 12.27v
Pins 1/2/5/6 12.27v which before had 0v

R7700 Pin 1 12.27v
Pin 2 12.27v
Pin 3 12.27v
Pin 4 12.27v

F7700 Pin 1 12.27v
Pin 2 12.27v diode mode .1604v resistance mode 3368mOhms

Q7100 Pin 6 3.422v

Orginal and spare screen connected. ( Spare screen is cracked in the corner but does illuminate and show ? folder)
J8300 Pin 1 12.27v
Pin 2 0.000v
Pin 3 5.161v
Pin 4 5.161v
Pin 5 3.422v
Pin 6 3.322v
Pin 7 3.322v
Pin 8 1.478v
Pin 9 3.311v
Pin 10 3.316v
Pin 11 0.002v
Pin 12 0.002v
Pin 13 0.000v
Pin 14 0.002v
Pin 15 0.005v
Pin 16 0.000v
Pin 17 0.022v
Pin 18 0.010v
Pin 19 0.000v
Pin 20 0.020v
Pin 21 0.035v
Pin 22 0.000v
Pin 23 0.010v
Pin 24 0.035v
Pin 25 0.000v
Pin 26 0.000v
Pin 27 0.000v
Pin 28 5.145v
Pin 29 5.145v
Pin 30 5.145v

U7700
Pin 1 1.200v
Pin 2 1.200v
Pin 3 0.000v
Pin 4 0.000v
Pin 5 5.168v
Pin 6 5.168v
Pin 7 0.000v
Pin 8 N/C
Pin 9 12.27v
Pin 10 12.27v
Pin 11 11.74v
Pin 12 0.000v (C7747 no stuff on original and 2 donors schematic shows 33pF cap)
Pin 13 0.032v
Pin 14 2.749v
Pin 15 4.502v
Pin 16 4.471v
Pin 17 3.343v
Pin 18 5.168v
Pin 19 0.485v
Pin 20 1.193v
Pin 21 10.93v
Pin 22 0.000v
Pin 23 0.000v
Pin 24 0.000v

V7768 Pin 1 12.01v
Pin 2 0.000v

I hope this gives you some more information. If there are any other readings you need let me know
Thanks in advance
 

2informaticos

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"Spare screen is cracked in the corner but does illuminate and show ? folder"
Do you mean tested in working board, not in this one?
Be sure is compatible with 2015 machine.

"Q7700 Pin 3 12.17v
Pin 4 12.27v
Pins 1/2/5/6 12.27v which before had 0v"
Looks like you didn't read all my post.
"This is impossible, unless Q7700 is shorted; change it now."

"Pin 9 3.311v"
Is a bit strange, as could be 2.5V; is the reason why U8340 used to transalte level 2.5->3.3V.
Are you sure is compatible screen?
Do you get image on both LCDs?

FL8300 and others OK?
 

RESQ-MYTECH

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Spare screen is one i use to test with. Bottom left corner is cracked. Shine a torch through the apple logo and I can see the ? folder. The screen assembly has been used on various repairs and come from an A1502 emc 2835. See image below.
I did read your post and I did change it--- Q7700
Yes I do get an image on both screens, when I shine a light through the apple symbol I can see the ? folder
 

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