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A2337 - 820-02016-A - short on PP0V9_ATCRTMR1_VCCA

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samstown

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Hi,

Macbook get 5V and stay at 0.16 - 0.40 amp. I found a short on CF131 PIN1 near UF500. It's PP0V9_ATCRTMR1_VCCA. It's connected to CF143, CF130 and RF101 and RF100.

I want to make sure my diag is correct. I have .019 on diode mode, so it really looks like a short. Compare to simialr cap CF031 show .458 near UF400.

So I have three potential cap that could be sorted. I should inject 1V 2amp to find the right one ?

Thanks
Sam
 

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You can claim for Nobel prize if you inject 2A with 1V into 0.019 (diode mode).

You can inject until 1.2V there, but the current will be very low; depending on the ohm resistance to ground.
No way to get anything hot.
A performant IR camera may detect some small temperature difference.

I always said: SET AMP LIMIT TO MAX ON PSU FIRST.
 
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RF101/2 is ok now. RF101/2 still shorted, that's PP3V3_S2SW_USBC1 and it's connected to a lot of capacitor and UF750 and UF115, UF740...
 
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So the short is not on PP0V9_ATCRTMR1_VCCA; as expected.

Many components connected to PP3V3_S2SW_USBC1; including UF100.
You should test UF115 and UF740/50 first.
 
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nothing visible on UF115 and UF740 or UF750 or around. I measure the short on each chip. So in this case what's the plan, remove one by one to check ?
 

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short is gone, I removed UF115, UF740 and finally UF750 (that was the culprit). I have 5 V, 04 Amp on both USB-C port, I see U0500 getting a little bit warm with thermal camera then getting cold again.

Macbook can boot without UF115, UF40 and UF750 ?

I see UF015 getting warm for a while then cold again. Same for UF500. UF400 stay warm, no pulse.

L5800 also get warm but stable.
 
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replaced UF000, UF100, UF400, UF500, UF115, UF40 and UF750 and all caps and resistor.
When plug USC-C power supply, I get 5V 0,2 amp for 5 seconds then it drop to 0,06 for 2 seconds amp then it stop and restart and does that over and over.
 
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PPBUS_AON diode mode on F5200/2 = .515 and 12V and drop to 0 when restart
PP3V8_AON_VDD_MAIN diode mode on CW10E = .191 and 3.8V stable
 
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Compare diode mode readings on various points around UF000/100.

Do you get correct LDOs on U8100 and U7700?
 
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I've compare various points (15) around UF000/100, they have similar value.
I am not sure about LDOs, I see PP1V4_LDO_PREREG at 1.39 V on L84E0/2
I see several connection for PP1V5_VLDOINT_MPMU under U8100 but i don't have a test point to measure. I've search around U8100 but i can't see other LDO signal
 
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Mentioned LDOs appear on pages 34 & 29; don't bother with the ones marked "NC".
You should find capacitors on the opposite side, as test points.
 
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Board behavior changed while I was measuring. As soon I measure C7835 CAP_PPSPMU_VLDO9 it stops turning on and off. Board stay on betwen 0.13 and 0.30 amp. I didn' made a mistake( I was always on Volt, no diode mode), not sure why. With thermal camera I see U7700 Pulsing. It's not clear if it's the U7700 as it's get hot on one side only, it's not the entire chip. Maybe it's a line connected to U7700. Now if I measure C7812 PP1V8_S2 I no longer have 1.8 V, it goes to 0.56 V then 0.

I am not sure what's going on.


(Those measure where valid until I measure
u7700
C84E0, C84E1, C84E2, R8422 PPqV4_LDO_PREREG 1.39
R770F/2 Buck13_fb_r =1.23V
C7834/1 PP1V5_VLDOINT_SPMU = 1.5V
C1815 PP1V06_S2SW_DRAM = 1.07V
C7810 PP0V88_S1 = 0.88V
C84D1 PP3V8_AON_VDDMAIN = 3.8V
C7812 PP1V8_S2 = 1.8V
C7811 PP1V25_S2 = 1.23V
C7823/1 PP1V5_VLDOINT_SPMU = 1.5V
C7801 PP5V_BSTLQ_VOUT_SPMU = 5V
C7820 PP0V72_S2_VDD_LOW = 0.75V
C7805 PP1CV2_AWAKE_PLL 1.21V
C7835 CAP_PPSPMU_VLDO9 = 0.18V (I think it was 1.5V when i start measuring then something happened)
C7809 PP0V855_S2SW_CIO = 0V
PP1V2_S2CIO = 0 V
PP1V8_AWAKE_SPMU_GPIO = 0V
PP1V25_AWAKE_NAND = 0 V
PP0V88_AWAKE_NAND = 0 V



u8100
c8309 PP1V2_S2 1.2V
c8307 PP1V2_S2 1.2V
c830a PP1V2_S2 1.2V
c8130 PPVDD_PMU_LDO_PREREG 1.39V
C830G PP1V5_VLDOINT_MPMU 1.5 V
 
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DFU not possible. Actually, I have a short on CAP_PPSPMU_VLDO9, Diode mode = 0.001. As far as I see, there's only two capacitor connetec to this line. Should I try to remove both ?
 
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